Noun + で(も)いい VS +がいい ( = Noun + de (mo) ii vs + ga ii)

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「今日の先生、僕でもいい?」
 
= Kyou no sensei boku demo ii ?
 
= Would it be OK if I were the teacher for today? / Do you mind if I am your teacher for today’s lesson?
 


Hi everyone!
 
Today’s guest teacher is ブンタ先生  ( =  Bunta Sensei).
He is a very friendly 2 year-old boy. !CHECKHEART!
Yukari met him on the street near her house and they became friends.
After hearing about our site, he volunteered to be a guest teacher.
 
He is fluent in Japanese so he will be a good teacher! Are we ready?  !JYANE!
 
  :u:
 
みなさん、はじめまして。ブンタです。今日、みんなに日本語を教えることができてうれしいです。 
 
= Minasan, hajimemashite. Bunta desu. Kyou, minna ni nihongo wo oshieru koto ga dekite ureshii desu.
 
= Nice to meet you, everyone! I’m Bunta. It’s my pleasure to teach you all Japanese today.
 
Today we will learn the difference in nuance between,
 
:rrrr:Noun + いい ( = de ii) /でもいい ( = demo ii) and  いい  ( = ga ii)
  
If someone asks you,
 
:u: 
今日は誰に日本語を習いたいですか?
 
= Kyou wa dare ni nihongo wo naraitai desu ka?
 
= Who would you want to learn Japanese from today?
 
How would you answer?

1) ブンタ先生いいです。

= Bunta sensei de iidesu. 

=I don’t mind if Bunta Sensei is the teacher.

or

2) ブンタ先生いいです。

= Bunta sensei ga iidesu.
 
= I want Bunta Sensei to teach us Japanese.
 
If I hear you say,
 
:rrrr: 1) ブンタ先生いいです。
 
= Bunta sensei de iidesu.
 
I would feel a bit hurt because で  ( = de) has a nuance of compromising so it sounds like I may not be the perfect teacher but there is no choice so you have to accept me as a teacher.
 
But if you say,
 
:rrrr: 2)  ブンタ先生いいです。
 
= Bunta sensei ga iidesu.
 

using が  ( = ga), I feel flattered because you choose me over everybody else to be your teacher.

Note : If you say でも  ( = demo) instead of で  ( = de)

 
ブンタ先生でもいいです。
 = Bunta sensei demo iidesu.

It adds the feeling of “even Bunta Sensei”

********
When you express what you want, you use both ~いい  ( = ga ii) and ~いい(=deii). 
While が ( = ga) shows a strong preference/desire,  で  ( = de) shows your feeling of compromising or gives a sense of looking down on someone/something.  So you have to be very careful when to use them and which one to use.
I know it is just one letter but it changes the nuance completely. 
 
Ex. これいいです。 
= Kore ga iidesu.
 = I want THIS ONE!

Ex. これいいです。

= Kore de iidesu.

= This one will do. (compromising)

Ex. これでもいいです。

= Kore demo iidesu.
 
= I will be fine even with this one.
 
*******
 
Q : 何が飲みたいですか?
= Nani ga nomitai desuka?
 = What would you like to drink?

Ex. ビールいいです。

= Biiru ga iidesu.
 = I’d like to have a beer. (Not anything else)

Ex. ビールいいです。

= Biiru de iidesu.

 = A beer is just fine. (A beer will do.)

Ex. ビールでもいいです。

= Biiru demo iidesu.
= I will be fine even with a beer.
 
******
Ex. 何を飲む?水いい?(casual)
= Nani wo nomu? Mizu de ii?
= What do you want to drink? Will (just) water be OK with you?
 
Ex. うん、水いいよ。(casual)
= Un, mizu de iiyo.
 = Yeah, water is just fine with me. (Don’t trouble yourself .)

Ex. うん、水でもいいよ。(casual)

= Un, mizu demo iiyo.

 = Yeah, even just water is fine with me.
 
Ex. コーラいい!(casual)
 = Koora ga ii!
 = I want a Coke!
 
!star! Note: What to do / Which one to use….
 
So で  (  = de) or でも ( = demo) may offend someone’s feeling because it sounds compromising.  But が  ( = ga) expresses your desire straight forward, and remember that Japanese people sometimes prefer to avoid straightforward expressions.
 
 If someone asks you what you would like to drink or eat, the safest answer is
:u: 
*お水(を)お願いします。
 = Omizu (wo) onegai shimasu.
 = Then I’d like to have some water, please.

*それではお水(を)頂けますか?(polite)

= Sorede wa omizu (wo)  itadakemasu ka?

 = Then, may I have some water please?

*お水(を)下さい。

= Omizu (wo) kudasai.
 
= Please give me some water. (Water, please.)

Note : Though your Japanese teachers would probably frown on my teaching this, but the truth is we often omit particles in conversation.

When you say を ( = wo) , an object marker, you ask for something, in this case a glass of water, a little bit more clearly.

*お水ちょうだい。(casual)

= Omizu choudai.
 
= Give me some water.
 
 *****
 
When you want to express your preference in a strong way, you use いい  ( = ga ii) and when you make it sound softer you use いい  ( = de ii).  
Though as I said, when you answer using いい  ( = de ii) you are including a nuance of compromise and that may annoy the person who offered you something.

Ex.「 夕食は、ステーキいいな。」

= Yuushoku wa suteiki ga iina.

= I wanna a steak for dinner.

Ex.「えっ?お金ないの?じゃあ、鶏の唐揚げいいよ。」

= Eh? Okane naino? Jaa, tori no karaage de (demo)  iiyo.
 
= What? You don’t have money? Then, fried chicken is just fine.
 
:rrrr:  When you emphasize the meaning of “even” you use でも ( = demo)
 
****
Ex. 「窓側の席いいです。」
= Madogawa no seki ga iidesu.
= I prefer a window seat.
 

(expressing your desire straightforward)

「申し訳ありませんが、窓側のお席はもう一杯です。」

= Moushiwake arimasen ga, madogawa no oseki wa mou ippai desu.
 = We are very sorry but all the window seats are already booked up.

「じゃあ通路側の席いいです。」

= Jaa tsuuro gawa no seki de iidesu.
= Then, an aisle seat is fine.
(compromising)
 
****
 
Ex. 「夏休み、どこに行く?海外に行く?」(casual)
 
= Natsuyasumi, dokoni iku? Kaigai ni iku? 

=Where should we go for summer vacation? Shall we go abroad?

「今年は国内いいよ。」(casual)

= Kotoshi wa kokunai de iiyo. 
= Somewhere in Japan is just fine this year.
 

「私はイタリアいい!」(casual)

= Watashi wa Italia ga ii! 
= I want to go to Italy!

****

Ex. 「今日は疲れているから夕ご飯はコンビニのおにぎりいい?」

= Kyou wa tsukarete iru kara yuugohan wa konbini no onigiri de ii?

= I am tired today so do you mind if we just to eat rice balls from the convenience store?

「え〜!カレーいい!」

= Ehh! Karee ga ii!
= Oh no… I want CURRY!!
 
 ****

Ex.「ブンタ、大好き!」

= Bunta, daisuki!

= I love you, Bunta!

「 本当に僕で(も)いいの?」

= Hontou ni boku de(mo) iino?

= You like ME? (Really? You really like a dog like me? )

「もちろん!ブンタいいの!」

= Mochiron! Bunta ga iino!

= I mean it! I like YOU, Bunta!

************************
 
So 皆はマギー先生いい?
= Mina wa Maggie sensei ga ii?

= You prefer (to learn Japanese from) Maggie Sensei?

maggie-senseiマギー先生より = Maggie Sensei yori =  From Maggie Sensei

ブンタ先生、ありがとう!

=Bunta sensei arigatou!

= Thank you, Bunta sensei!
 

ブンタ先生は若い女の子いい?

= Bunta Sensei wa wakai onnanoko ga suki?
 
= Do you prefer young girls, Bunta-Sensei?
 
それとも私の様な熟女でもいい?
 
= Soretomo watashi no youna jukujo demo ii?
 

= Or is a “mature” woman like me OK?

ブンタ: 「マギー先生でもいいです。」  !sleepy!

= Bunta: “Maggie Sensei demo ii desu.”
 
= Bunta: “I would be OK even with you, Maggie Sensei.
 
 



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39 Comments

  1. I just don’t know exactly the mean among these words, I only know the sittuations from you to use them, could you show me the nearest means ? Thank you so much :D

  2. Doushite “dare NI Nihongo wo naraitai?’?
    And not “dare kara”??

    This always confuses me. Itsumon mono energy koto wo komateiru.
    :(

    1. @tordy

      You can say “Dare kara nihongo wo naraitai?”

      This function of に is to indicate the source, “from”

      Ex. 誰からその時計をもらったの?
      = Dare kara sono tokei wo moratta no?
      = (Lit) From whom did you receive the watch?
      = Who gave you the watch?
      →You can say
      誰にその時計をもらったの?
      = Dare ni sono tokei wo moratta no?

      Ex. 父から時計をもらった。
      = Chichi kara tokei wo moratta.
      = I received the watch from my father.
      →You can also say
      父に時計をもらった。
      = Chichi ni tokei wo moratta.

      You often see this type of に with passive form, and the verbs such as 習う/教えてもらう

      Ex. マギー先生から日本語を教えてもらった。
      = Maggie sensei ni nihongo wo oshiete moratta.
      Ex. マギー先生に日本語を教えてもらった。
      = Maggie sensei ni nihongo wo oshiete moratta.

    1. @Veron

      It is nice/good to do something
      The translation could be the same as
      ~no ga ii
      ~no wa ii
      but 〜もいい(=mo ii) is more subtle than ~がいい(-ga ii) or 〜はいい(=wa ii) and more suggestive.

      Ex. たまには温泉に行くのもいいですね。
      = Tamani wa onsen ni iku no mo iidesune.
      = It is nice to go visit hot springs once in a while.

      Ex. 京都に行くのもいいですね。
      = Kyouto ni iku no mo iidesune.
      = Visiting Kyoto would be nice,too.

  3. Wow, you’re very thorough! I learnt something like this on another site but they only covered ga ii desu and de ii desu. I never knew there was a demo ii desu! Thanks Maggie Sensei! You’re awesome. Oh, also…I noticed that you wrote this at the end:

    So 皆はマギー先生がいい?
    = Mina wa Maggie sensei ga ii?

    I think the romaji should say minna but I’m probably wrong. Anyway, thanks for teaching, this was an awesome lesson! :}

    1. @the river puppy

      Thank you for your comment!
      The way you read the kanji 皆 is「みな=mina」(みんな=minna is colloquial way to say “everyone”)

  4. マギー先生、こんにちは!

    そういえば、ちょっと「にいいです」について聴きたいんですけど

    「問題ないさ 問題ないさ 明日も頑張るあなたに いいね 心配ない もう 心配ないさ 明日にもがいてる あなたでいいですよ」
    この文は「あなたに いいね」と「あなたでいいです」も入れています。
    違いは何ですか?

    1. @レーナ

      こんにちは、レーナ。
      これはどこかの歌詞ですか? 誰かにいいねという言い方はあまりしませんが、
      「明日も頑張るあなたに いいね」 は、「明日も頑張るあなたはいいですね。」ということです。

      You know Facebook has a “Like” button. We called it いいね. So it means “I like you who tries hard tomorrow./ You are great”

      明日にもがいているあなたでもいいです。This あなたでもいい means I still like you even + something negative” In this case,
      I like you who struggles tomorrow/ Even you struggle tomorrow, you are great”

  5. Great lesson, thank you.

    But how does this differ from “nounがほしい” or the “たい” form of verbs?

    1. @nibill

      Hi nibill,

      OK, let’s compare the following sentences.
      1) 水が飲みたいです。 = I want to drink water. (たい is always used with a verb.)
      2) 水が欲しいです。= I want some water. (You are expressing what you want clearly.)
      (We use 1) and 2) when you tell people what you want/what you want to do)

      3) 水がいいです。= I prefer water. (When someone asks you what you want to drink.)
      4) 水でいいです。= (I don’t mind) Water is just fine. (When someone asks you what you want to drink.)
      (We use 3) and 4) when someone asks you what you want first.You don’t usually say these when nobody asks you what you want to drink.)

  6. ありがとう、役に立つ表現です。
    「とか」はよく使います。でも「など」は少し分かりにくいです。「etc.」として大丈夫です、でも他の使い方があるらしいです。レッスンのリストに付け足されますか。

  7. ありがとう先生。とても便利な表現です。少し聞きたいことがあるんですけど。In English, we’d often answer a questions like ‘Where should we go for lunch’ with something like ‘anywhere is fine’. In Japanese, is it 「どこでもいいですよ」?Grammar ok? Politeness ok?
    Or if we want to say either one (of two or more options) is fine with me:「どちらでもいいです」、「どれもいい」
    Is the pattern usually どこ/どれ/どちら + でもいい? Or just もいい? Or either one?

    Also, if someone asks a question like 「夏休みはどこに行こうか」and we want to list some possible answers and/or be vague:
    「さあ。。イタリアやフランスなどがいい」someplace like italy or france is good
    「日帰りはどう?鎌倉か箱根などでいい」how about a day trip? someplace like Kamakura or Hakone would be fine
    Can you add など to make it sound less specific?
    Thank you!

    1. @elainelink

      「どこでもいいですよ」
      Grammar ok? 

      →Yes. We say that often in conversation.

      Politeness ok?

      → どこでもいい means “wherever” and it implies “I don’t care” so if you are talking to someone superior,
      どちらでも結構です(= dochira demo kekkou desu) sounds more polite.

      *****

      「さあ。。イタリアやフランスなどがいい」
      「日帰りはどう?鎌倉か箱根などでいい」
      Can you add など to make it sound less specific?

      AやBなど means “A and B and etc.”

      If you want it sound less specific in conversation, I would use とか

      someplace like A or B would be fine = AとかBとか*がいい
      イタリアとかフランスとか*がいい
      鎌倉とか箱根とか*がいい
      (Sometimes we skip the second とか in conversation)

  8. Hi, Maggie Sensei! Another great lesson, but there’s another usage of いい that I would like to ask about. What does it mean when は precedes いい?From what I understand, it can mean ‘It’s fine, don’t bother’.

    Scenario I encountered:
    A: お茶を入れて?それとも水はどうかしら?(Person A is very nervous at this point and is trying to start a conversation with Person B in this context)

    B:水はいいから。
    (What I’m guessing is that Person B is trying to imply ‘It’s fine, so calm down’ even though いい is used in this context)

    Would you mind elaborating? P.S. Is there a lesson concerning the usage of the casual 意向形動詞available? 

    1. @Blossom

      Hello Blossom,

      いい means “good/nice” and also “yes” and “no”

      Your guess is right. お水はいいから means お水はいらないから = “It’s fine. / I’m good. / Don’t worry about water./ I don’t need water now so don’t bother.”
      So いい means “good/nice, yes and no” depending on the context.

      I will show you some examples.

      Ex. 1) 自然はいいね。
      = Shizen wa iine.
      = I love nature. / Nature is good.

      Ex. 2) B: マギー先生、このお菓子食べてもいいですか?(asking for a permission.)
      = Maggie sensei, kono okashi tabete mo ii desuka?
      = May I eat this snack, Maggie Sensei. ?

      Maggie : いいです。
      = Iidesu.
      = Sure! / Yes!

      Note : This いい means “Yes” .
      (← 食べてもいいですよ。= Tabete mo iidesuyo= You may eat it.)

      ☆When you ask someone a permission or request someone to do something and they say いいです/いいですよ/いいよ(more casual) , they mean “Yes, you can. You are allow to do that. /Yes, go ahead”

      Now what confuses you is the following one.

      Ex. 3) Blossom: マギー先生、このお菓子食べますか。
      = Maggie Sensei kono okashi tabemasuka?
      = Do you want to eat this snack, Maggie Sensei?

      Maggie: いいです。
      = Iidesu.
      = No thank you.
      (Variation : 私はいいです。= Watashi wa ii desu = I am good, No thank you./ 今、いいです。= Ima iidesu. = not now. )
      The polite way is : 結構です。= Kekkou desu. = No thank you.

      ☆This いいです means いらない(です)(= iranai (desu)) “No thank you” and saying “No” to someone’s offer.

      So when you offer someone something and they say いいです・いいから、いい, they mean “No thank you”

      I will make a short lesson for you in near future.
      *****

      意向形動詞
      I might have made a mini lesson on Facebook but I will add it on the request list.

  9. Domo arigatou gozaimasu…
    Maggie mo, bunta mo, soshite saikou no yukari sensei
    sasuga yukari sensei…
    tsuzuketekudasi…
    Ja~

    1. @Layol
      Layol、コメントありがとう!はい、がんばってレッスン続けていきますね。これからもよろしく!!
      =Layol, comment arigatou!! Hai ganbatte lesson tsuzukete ikimasune. Korekara mo yoroshiku!!
      :)

  10. ほ~、新しいレッソンだ! ブタ先生、どうもありがとうございました!ご苦労さんでした。
    因みに、ちょっとした質問がありますね!
    「ある事柄、事態を「容認」する、それを否定しない、ということでしょうか。次の例では「も」の省略はできません。「申し出」に近くなります。
    その仕事、僕がやってもいいよ。(×やっていいよ)
    cf. きみがやっていいよ。(モの省略可)」 http://www.geocities.jp/niwasaburoo/35kinsikyoka.html#35.5 によるものです。

    質問なのは、どうして「やっていいよ」は正しくないですか。『「申し出」に近くなります』と書いているが、意味はまだちょっと曖昧なんですが・・・
    ヨロシクね^^

    1. あのう、ブタじゃなくてブンタ先生でした!読み違えてしまって本当にごめんあさい 。゚・(>Д<)・゚。

    2. @天人
      Hi 天人

      あはは、ブタ先生と書いてあるのを見て思わず笑ってしまいました。ブンタ先生が、ちょっと傷つくかも…(笑)
      「V+て(で)もいい」の方の質問ですね。
      ここからは英語で書きますね。

      *******
      OK, I saw the site and I agree.
      その仕事、僕がやってもいいよ
      It is not natural to skip も here.

      When you give someone a permission, you say
      きみがやって・やってもいいよ
      ~(し)ていいですよ・〜(し)てもいいですよ。
      Ex. 食べてもいいよ/ 食べていいよ。
      Ex. 質問してもいいですよ。/ 質問していいですよ。
      (Note : In my opinion, ていい is more colloquial and you are supposed to use てもいい in your Japanese class.)

      When you offer to do something for someone (that what they meant “申し出”) , (Ex. I can do that for you.), you don’t say 〜ていい

      Ex. 教えてもいいですよ。I don’t mind teaching. / I could teach (for you) (X 教えていいですよ。)
      Ex. 見せてもいいですよ。I don’t mind showing something to you./ I could show something to you.
      (X見せていいですよ。)

      If you say 教えていいですよ。it sounds like you are giving a permission to someone to teach (“You can teach/ You are allowed to teach.”)
      if you say 見せていいですよ。it means “You can show something.” /”You are allow to show something.”

      1. I’m very grateful for your help. This was the only part in 禁止/許可 that I had problems with.
        Finally I understood it, ノートダン!Thank you very very much! You are the best! \(^o^)/

        PS “ていい is more colloquial and you are supposed to use てもいい in your Japanese class” うん、そうだね。でも実は私、日本語学校に通っていません。ずっと一人で勉強していますね(^ω^)

        1. @天人
          天人さんはずっと独学なんですね。すご〜〜い!!
          またどうやって勉強してきたか教えてね。

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          2. @天人
            WOOOOW!! I am VERY impressed! Thank you so much for sharing this valuable information.
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